Feb 6, 2022

No Hope, No Forgiveness, No Salvation, No Prayer

All  a result of Free Will


The Bible contains 17 or 18, somewhat differing Hebrew and Greek words, all translated to the English word, "world" including in John 3:16,  "For God so loved the world...."  The Greek word, "kosmos", here means "the entire arrangement", including the people.  But the word "earth" in Genesis 1:1, before it had light, vegetation, animals, and people just meant "land"...  but was without form, void and in darkness, covered with water.  That is why the word earth, at that time, simply meant "land" and was in a chaotic condition of Judgement, covered in deep, dark waters.  How did it get that way since everything God ever created was "good", before and after Genesis 1, which says, God's re-creation of it was "good" nine times?  The Hebrew verb translated "was" in Gen.1:2 infers a previous, good condition in its original created state and means, still in the past tense, "became" without form and void.  Since the flood of Noah's day was a judgment upon sin (Gen.6:5), it is reasonable to assume that these deep dark waters and chaos were also a result of God's judgment upon Lucifer, when he cast him from heaven down to the earth .... to which, Lucifer, God's  "Light Reflector", having now lost his light, brought his newly bestowed darkness and chaos with him. Lucifer came to this condition, absent of light, by his errant free will to choose to serve God or himself, by his own selfish choices.  Having never previously been lost ... or separated from God, there was now no provision of salvation for him,  He blatantly chose to turn away from God though he dwelt in the very presence of God as God's "Light Reflector" which is what his name, Lucifer, means.  He was God's "anointed cherub" covered with all manner of brilliant precious stones which radiated out the spectacular glory of God all over heaven.  But dissatisfied with that great honor, he sought to take God's place on the throne. So there was no salvation for Lucifer, no forgiveness, and no prayer for him to repent.  Read of his lost glory in Ezek. 28:13-17.  God didn't ask the other angels to "Pray for Lucifer" because his sin against God had no forgiveness, salvation, or prayer.

The people of Noah's day had come to the same place of "no prayer" wickedness.     "And God saw, that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."  Gen.6:5.        God didn't tell Noah to pray for these people, He told him to "build an ark".

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  He that despiseth Moses' law died 
without mercy under two or three witnesses:  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"   Heb. 10:26-29.      No hope of salvation and therefore no prayer for deliverance.     

My point is this.   Some people, though we cannot know which ones, unless God tells us, as he did Moses, are beyond the efficacy of prayer and salvation.  So be certain of what God is telling you. People in this condition get there, not by their offenses and bad treatment of other people, but by their offenses and sins against the Holy God... in their apostasy ... Not just walking away from God but joining the other side as in 1 Tim.4:1-2      "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron."      In such a case, God told Jeremiah not to pray for these people who, I believe, were "professing" their Christianity among the true believers, but were not true believers in the prophesied  Christ (Messiah).

My Son Robert (Bob) wrote to me regarding the Apostates the Prophet Jeremiah was dealing with.  Here is what Robert wrote:
 
Seven days of reading Jeremiah brought me to chapter 7. Verse 16 jumped out at me, “Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.” (saith Yehovah v. 6) Say what? 

Jesus said, “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” (Matt 5:44) The people in Jeremiah 7 were not their enemies. They were brothers and sisters who were mixing idolatry and other abominations into their lives and because of this, GOD says in Jer. 7:15-16 “And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim.  Therefore pray not thou for this people,” 

By the way, although there are 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter 7, none from the tribe of Ephraim and none from the tribe of Dan are included in the 144,000 that are “marked” for protection. There are many scriptures that verify that they were “cast out”. So very sad. 

Sad indeed Son.  Sinning against other people is bad enough, but 
after one has professed Christ and then to sin against the God and Creator of the universe and his holiness, and joining with the devil's crowd against God is as bad as sin can get.  It was the sin of Judas.  Prayer for that person Is futile.  Jesus knew Judas was a counterfeit but never asked the other Apostles to pray for Judas. Having walked with Jesus and hearing His holy words, and then joining His enemies, there was no salvation and no prayer that would help Judas.  You are a blessing my Son.
Your old Dad


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